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Tom Elliott
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« on: June 05, 2008, 01:28:34 PM »

Have you taken Joomlashack's 2008 Joomla User Survey yet?

If you have, or if you have comments, discuss the survey here!
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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2008, 12:57:58 PM »

Thanks for the opportunity to do the survey. I thought I would add that some of the questions did not provide an adequate answer, and since there was no comment box, there was no way to qualify those answers. I suppose it doesn't matter except that it means some of the data you received from me, and likely from others, is invalid.

One of the things I'd like to see that wasn't on the survey was more training events like Joomla Chicago. I didn't have an opportunity to go this past time, but would have liked to, and look forward to more events like it in the future.

I'd also like more helps on how to fix things that break. For instance, right now I am apparently dealing with a permissions issue. Apparently this is particularly a problem on GoDaddy where I currently am hosting. I don't really have a lot of background in Joomla (I did read your book!) and none in php, so I pretty much have been doing what I do by the seat of my pants. (Fortunately, Joomla is easy enough to use that I get by pretty well!) How about a troubleshooting book and or tutorials.

In regard to Joomlashack's templates, I use them because they are a well-designed, quality built product that offers support. That means a lot for someone who is working from the seat of their pants! It means that I have fewer problems to deal with. The survey didn't really have this answer on it.

It also didn't have a place to say that I am not a web designer by trade! Rather I build sites for myself to advertise my products and to help promote my clients. I don't have a budget and I don't have a title other than "owner."

Thanks for great templates.

Jamie Saloff
http://www.PolkaDotBanner.com
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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2008, 10:37:16 AM »

I agree with this:
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Thanks for the opportunity to do the survey. I thought I would add that some of the questions did not provide an adequate answer, and since there was no comment box, there was no way to qualify those answers. I suppose it doesn't matter except that it means some of the data you received from me, and likely from others, is invalid.

But we can use the forum to add some further details...

The biggest thing I wanted to comment on was the lack of choices for the kinds of "industries" we've designed sites for, such as:

1) media/magazine/newspaper sites
2) political campaign sites and other advocacy/fundraising/organizing related sites
3) non-profits

Notably these are big industry blind spots Joomla has. The FOSS needs of these industries are mostly served by Drupal. Joomla could clean up in these sectors if it rethought some of its dumber core quirks and 3PD extension developers catered to these industries more. (Core quirks such as content with 1 section and 1 category--that's it, with no multi-category status. What?!?!? 1.5 is a huge disappointment in this respect, for retaining such key limitations from 1.0.)

iJoomla and JoomlArt are the exceptions in offering (better late than never) extensions and templates for media sites. However, their offerings in this area are really in need of major improvement to be truly enterprise ready. iJoomla news and magazine products have an innate problem in that they build a virtually new CMS layer on top of Joomla, tyring to compensate for its inadequacy for "real publishing" rather than hack the core and make it the way it ought to be--and suitable for serious media enterprises.  (I've written about this stuff at iJoomla and Joomlart recently and in the past.)

I was at a conference this past week for traditional mainstream journalists and new media "citizen journalists" to explore common ground and areas of possible collaboration and learning as the old media embraces new media. Drupal devotees were well represented, several having been active with or funded by big Knight Foundation grants. Joomla is a familiar rival but seems to have lower penetration among journalistic enterprises seeking a FOSS solution because the community has no entry point for them. Perhaps as a remedy, there are several Ning groups where "wired journalists" and perhaps other sites where techies and developers involved with journalism projects might congregate and think about creating some presence for themselves in the Joomla community.

At the same time, I am also partial to the "CMSes are dead" idea---if Joomla can't transition to a social publishing architecture, Drupal and Wordpress probably can and will. If Drupal cleans up on a few major drawbacks it has for implementation with non-technical clients, I will probably be using it and/or Wordpress more than Joomla in 1-2 years.

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It also didn't have a place to say that I am not a web designer by trade! Rather I build sites for myself to advertise my products and to help promote my clients. I don't have a budget and I don't have a title other than "owner."

The same goes for me. I do all of the roles listed in the survey, not just one, and I don't need budgets for these dsame reasons.
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« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2008, 11:12:26 AM »

Thanks for taking the time to write these thoughtful responses guys!
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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2009, 04:48:17 AM »

Thanks for the opportunity to do the survey. I thought I would add that some of the questions did not provide an adequate answer, and since there was no comment box, there was no way to qualify those answers. I suppose it doesn't matter except that it means some of the data you received from me, and likely from others, is invalid.

One of the things I'd like to see that wasn't on the survey was more training events like Joomla Chicago. I didn't have an opportunity to go this past time, but would have liked to, and look forward to more events like it in the future.

I'd also like more helps on how to fix things that break. For instance, right now I am apparently dealing with a permissions issue. Apparently this is particularly a problem on GoDaddy where I currently am hosting. I don't really have a lot of background in Joomla (I did read your book!) and none in php, so I pretty much have been doing what I do by the seat of my pants. (Fortunately, Joomla is easy enough to use that I get by pretty well!) How about a troubleshooting book and or tutorials.

In regard to Joomlashack's templates, I use them because they are a well-designed, quality built product that offers support. That means a lot for someone who is working from the seat of their pants! It means that I have fewer problems to deal with. The survey didn't really have this answer on it.

It also didn't have a place to say that I am not a web designer by trade! Rather I build sites for myself to advertise my products and to help promote my clients. I don't have a budget and I don't have a title other than "owner."

Thanks for great templates.

Jamie Saloff
http://www.PolkaDotBanner.com

You is from Poland?
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